Does your sheriff enter you into a Criminal Database?

An updated list

March 14, 2007 - We've once again -- via pro-gun State Senator Scott Renfroe -- requested a list of sheriffs who enter permit holders into the statewide criminal database.  They're listed below, along with the name of the elected official (Sheriff) who made the decision to enter permit holders into that database, and treat you like a criminal.

Remember, Sheriff's offices (and the Denver police) are the only offices now issuing permits. It's voluntary to enter you into that database -- at least right now, though we expect the Chiefs and Sheriffs to attempt to change the law to make it mandatory, thereby removing them from responsibility

You might like your county sheriff personally, and have shot at the range with him.  But make no mistake about it: if a sheriff enters you -- who have jumped through ample and expensive hurdles to get a concealed carry permit -- into a criminal database (CBI has now created a special database for permit holders, but it is accessed the same way and has all the same unsafe implications) your sheriff is NOT a good guy.

Don't let a sheriff snow you with "pro-gun" talk.  They are politicians, and know this is a hot button issue to gun owners.  Hold them accountable by putting heat on them on this issue.

Even the sheriffs who do not enter permit holders into the statewide criminal database may still be guilty by association: their organization -- the County Sheriffs of Colorado -- is the organization driving this issue, and unless a sheriff has fought against this issue within CSOC (by actively opposing HB1174), his organization is the reason you may be treated like a criminial.

RMGO first reported the story about this issue back in December of 2002.  At that time, many of the "gun groups" ignored the issue.

Why would a sheriff want to enter permit holders into that database? Essentially, their claim can be distilled down to keeping records on "persons of interest." What that means is that you are considered a dangerous person, just like a convicted rapist or murderer.

The following Sheriff Departments are entering concealed carry permit holders into CCIC.

Colorado Counties which enter Concealed Carry Permit Holders into the Criminal Database
Provided by CBI on 3/09/07



County Offending Sheriff # in CCIC
Adams Doug Darr 1688
Alamosa Dave Strong 68
Archuleta Pete Gonzalez 606
Arapahoe Grayson Robinson 2873
Baca Steve Salzbrenner 1
Bent Gerry Oyen 13
Boulder Joseph Pelle 1307
Broomfield Tom Deland 258
Clear Creek Don Kruger 1
Crowley Miles Clark 16
Denver * Chief Whitman 1209
Delta Fred McKee 429
Dolores Jerry Martin 48
Eagle Joseph Hoy 141
Elbert William Frangis 18
Fremont James Beicker 611
Garfield Lou Vallario 5
Gilpin Bruce Hartman 70
Gunnison Rick Murdie 120
Hinsdale Ronald Bruce 67
Jefferson Ted Mink 3792
Kit Carson Ed Raps 62
Lake Ed Holte 51
La Plata Duke Schirard 861
Larimer Jim Alderden 3111
Lincoln Tom Nestor 5
Logan Brett Powell 85
Mesa Stan Hilkey 2181
Moffat Tim Jantz 123
Montezuma Gerald Wallace 457
Montrose Rick Dunlap 548
Otero Chris Johnson 67
Ouray Dominic Mattivi 32
Park Fred Wegener 409
Pitkin Bob Braudis 80
Prowers Jim Faull 39
Rio Blanco Si Woodruff 176
Rio Grande Brian Norton 5
San Juan Sue Kurtz 5
Teller Kevin Dougherty 697
Yuma Sam McCoy 63
Total
22398

 

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Elbert County Sheriff opposed to local shooting

Elbert County Sheriff opposed to local shooting: calls Boy Scouts Hamas

"It sounded like Hamas had a training camp next door.

That's not a quote from US Special Forces in Iraq or Afghanistan.  That's what Elbert County Sheriff William Frangis said about Peaceful Valley Boy Scout camp's shooting range.

Yes, you read that right: Sheriff Frangis compared a Boy Scout shooting range to terrorists.

Peaceful Valley Boy Scout camp, as well as the western tradition of recreational shooting, is being attacked by a number of anti-gun liberals, lead by Sheriff Frangis and former Elbert County Commissioner John Dunn.

Frangis is a known anti-gun activist and has testified before the legislature time and again in favor of gun control. Frangis, Dunn and a small collection of screeching liberals want to prevent the Boy Scouts from holding events at the camp's shooting range. 4-H shooting programs are certainly next.

They're using the same, tired old arguments to try to shut down the Boy Scouts shooting range, claiming lead contamination and disruption of the environment as justification for their attack on the Second Amendment.

It is vital that gun owners like you and me let Sheriff Frangis and the Elbert County Commissioners know that attacks on the Second Amendment will not go unnoticed.

Rocky Mountain Gun Owners is closely monitoring this situation, but there is something you can do to help!

E-mail or call Sheriff Frangis and the Elbert County Commissioners and tell them to stop their witch hunt against recreational shooting and the Boy Scouts.

Sheriff William Frangis: (303) 621-2027

Commissioner Suzie Graeff: (303) 621-3132: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Commissioner Hope Goetz: (303) 621-3139: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Commissioner John Metli: (303) 621-3114: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Additionally, on July 18th, the Elbert County Commissioners will be meeting to discuss granting Peaceful Valley Scout ranch a temporary permit to continue shooting activities. The meeting will be held at 215 Comanche Street, Kiowa in the 2nd floor conference room, and is scheduled from 9:00am-4:30pm.

This meeting's agenda hasn’t been published yet, but as soon as RMGO knows when the shooting issue comes up, we will notify you. Strong representation from the gun community is vital at this meeting.

NRA passes McCarthy Gun Control bill through US House!

NRA passes McCarthy Gun Control bill through US House!

June 13, 2007 - We warned you just a few days ago that the NRA was working with anti-gun forces to pass new gun control.

Today, far sooner than we would have imagined, the bill passed in the US House, with almost no notice and no recorded vote.

Anti-Gun stalwart Congresswoman
Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY)
is the sponsor of HR2640, as well as
legislation to ban .50 caliber firearms.

HR 297 was quickly morphed into a new bill, HR 2640 (by notorious anti-gunner Carolyn McCarthy) and passed on a voice vote, with so little notice that the most pro-gun members of Congress didn't know it was on the agenda until early in the morning -- when the NRA actively lobbied their offices to pass the largest gun control move since the 1994 Assault Weapons ban.

(Click here for news story)

The bill gives the Federal Government vast new access to people's mental health records and opens the door for expanded abuse of power, delays and denials of firearms purchases.

The bill purports to give people a chance to have their names removed from the no-buy list, but only at great personal expense... with no guarantee of success.

If the past is any indication, purchasing a firearm is about to become a lot more complicated.

Keep in mind that for years the ATF has been forbidden from doing any investigations to expunge records and return people's gun rights.

Now, with the help of the NRA, even more restrictions are being created.  (Click here for the E-mail NRA lobbyists sent Members of Congress lobbying for this gun control)

Of course, unlike a "crime," "mental illness" is a very subjective evaluation.

As Corey Graff from Wisconsin Gun Owners writes;

"Since 1952, the American Psychiatry Association (APA) has utilized the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) as its standard for defining, diagnosing and treating mental health disorders.

Since its first printing, the manual has undergone five revisions, the most recent being the DSM-IV, which was finalized in 1994. Currently a fifth version is being prepared and is due out by 2012.

Each new version contradicts the previous version; new authors with new perspectives and agendas write each new release. The standard keeps changing, shifting, sometimes radically so -- the result is that mental illness is never clearly or objectively defined. It is a moving target shaped by political and social pressures.

Following controversy and protests from gay activists at APA annual conferences from 1970 to 1973, the seventh printing of the DSM-II, in 1974, no longer listed homosexuality as a category of disorder. After talks led by the psychiatrist Robert Spitzer, who had been involved in the DSM-II development committee, a vote by the APA trustees in 1973, confirmed by the wider APA membership in 1974, replaced the diagnosis with a milder category of "sexual orientation disturbance."

In today's politically correct climate, the most recent version of the DSM-IV contains "no reference to homosexuality."

Which DSM was correct or were both wrong? One can easily see the danger this contradiction raises if these diagnoses were synced up with a gun owner database that acts as an automated judge, jury and executioner for the gun buyer.

Such variance also calls into question the credibility of those who define mental illness.

Psychiatrists can't even agree amongst themselves over a relatively short period of time on how to precisely define mental illness on any given issue. Thirty years ago no one heard the term "attention deficit disorder" or "post-traumatic stress disorder" -- today diagnoses for these new mental illnesses are commonplace.

We believe the next step -- if you don't think there's a "next step" you undoubtedly fit the description of mentally deranged -- is to require information and deny firearms purchases for anyone who has ever taken an anti-depressant (the estimates for the number of young adults in America who have, at one time, taken these anti-depressant drugs is staggering). If that happens, a large portion of a number of generations in America will be stripped of their Second Amendment rights.

The bottom line: If NICS is expanded, expect entire groups to be denied their right to purchase a firearm.

Legislation like this paints with a broad brush and will disarm many good people who should be able to buy handguns. One such group is veterans.

"[NICS Expansion] could have a significant impact on American servicemen," wrote Gun Owners of America recently, "especially those returning from combat situations and who seek some type of psychiatric care.

Often, veterans who have suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder have been deemed as mentally 'incompetent' and are prohibited from owning guns under 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(4). Records of those instances certainly exist, and, in 1999, the Department of Veterans Administration turned over 90,000 names of veterans to the FBI for inclusion into the NICS background check system."

Once again, the NRA has colluded with anti-gunners to pass new gun control and tell gun owners it's good for them.

They did so when the Brady Insta-Check Registration system was passed into law, and now they're attempting to strengthen that gun control... and weaken our rights.

CQ.com "Advocates of House-passed legislation say it likely would have prevented the gunman, Seung-Hui Cho, from buying a firearm because of his history of mental illness." But this is, of course, nonsense. The Brady law has not kept criminals from getting guns and won't stop madmen from getting them either. But it might very well stop you.

To stop this in the Senate will mean fighting not only the anti-gunners in the Legislature, but America's biggest "gun lobby." We'll need all the help we can get. Please consider making whatever contribution you can to RMGO by clicking here.

 

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